
■ SUS-06-Peds: Weight-based, low FGF during induction. Eva Lu-Boettcher and
Jeffrey Feldman working together on this measure- workgroup meeting in next
few months. CHOP has adopted this as a QI initiative recently and is making
good progress. Suggest to change verbiage to weight based fresh gas flows
rather than low FGF.
● Jeffrey Feldman (CHOP): Re: nitrous, can follow use rate. Maybe trial
unplugging.
● Vikas O’Reilly-Shah (Seattle Children’s): Usage went down, purchasing
remained flat. Maybe go to tank usage? But would need to be
decommissioned and that would be a large undertaking. Considerations
for Dental school.
● Lucy Everett (MGH): working on getting EPIC alert for appropriate
weight based flow for patient.
■ ABX-02-Peds: Antibiotic Timing, Intraop
○ Other Measures of interest?
■ Jeffrey Feldman (CHOP): Comment about flows during induction. Opportunity
for study- follow rate of rise of anesthetic agent concentration to demonstrate
that it doesn’t change. Can be prospective study- when induction starts goal is to
limit rebreathing
■ Kesavan Sadacharam (Nemours): In regard to Nitrous - I would like to hear
about any difference in duration of induction or increased incidence of
laryngospasm without nitrous for induction.
■ Vikas O’Reilly Shah (Seattle Children’s): As far as I've been able to discern we've
had no chance in times to IV placement nor in airway events during induction
since discontinuing nitrous
■ Charles Schrock (St. Louis Children’s) - Behavior of different machines might be a
potential variable to explore. St. Louis Children's now has a fleet of Getinge
Flow-e and Flow-i machines. South African built machines ped neonates- very
happy with them/ Have ability to smartly adjust.
■ Jeffrey Feldman (CHOP): GE is the only FDA approved in USA. Spent money to do
the trials. 18yr and up and older. robust technology, would use. Technology has
been around more than 10 years and used in other parts of the world.
● Bishr Haydar (UMich): GE Device is FDA cleared for adults only (18+
years)
■ Vikas O’Reilly-Shah (Seattle Children’s): As far as I've been able to discern we've
had no chance in times to IV placement nor in airway events during induction
since discontinuing nitrous
■ Archana Ramesh (Yale): In your experience have you seen any difference in mask
acceptance since eliminating nitrous oxide?
● Vikas O’Reilly-Shah (Seattle Children’s): Not really. Calm kids go to sleep
just as well, ones prone to getting upset or midazolam. We have a low
rate of premed, high rate of parental presence, child life/distraction, and
use of flavorings in the mask
● Jeffrey Feldman (CHOP)- No difference in mask acceptance in my
practice. Distraction, fragrance are both useful. Caveat, practice at
CHOP has a high percentage of midazolam premedication.
● Amber Franz (Seattle Children’s)-I've noticed it's helpful to have a small
amount of gas flowing when you first hand them the mask (with flavor